CLIP: PUTIN ANSWERS QUESTIONS FROM JOURNALIST PAVEL ZARUBIN
Answers to questions from journalist Pavel Zarubin
February 14, 2024
P. Zarubin: Vladimir Vladimirovich, already a billion views of your interview to Tucker Carlson. Many different reviews positive. But, itās clear what comments come from Western leaders. For example, the Prime Minister of Great Britain and the Chancellor of Germany were named, I will quote: Ā« Your ridiculous and absurd attempt explain the reason for the start of the special operation and justify it with the threat of NATOās attack on Russia Ā». What do you think of such estimates?
Vladimir Putin: First of all, itās good that they watch and listen to what I say. If we today, for some reason related to them, it is not possible to conduct a direct dialogue, then we must be Thanks to Mr. Carlson for the fact that we can do this through him as an intermediary. So what are they look, listen ā good.
But here is what they are pervert what I said ā is bad, and distort the map. Why? Because I said nothing like that. I did not say that the beginning of our special military operation in Ukraine is connected with the threat of NATO attack on Russia. Where is it in my interview? There is a record, let them show, where exactly did I say this.
I talked about something else, I talked that we were constantly deceived from the point of view vision of NATO's non-expansion to the east. By the way saying this was said primarily by the mouth of the then Secretary General of NATO, and he was Representative of the Federal Republic of Germany. He said this: not an inch east. Then five extensions and a complete deception. Of course, we were worried and worried about the possibility of pulling into NATO Ukraine, since it threatens our security. I said this.
But the direct trigger was the complete rejection of today Ukrainian authorities from the implementation of the Minsk agreements and ongoing attacks with numerous casualties on unrecognized for eight years of the Republic of Donbass ā the Luhansk People's Republic and the Donetsk People's Republic, which ultimately asked us for recognition, seeing the futility of resolving issues within the framework of the Minsk Agreements. We recognized them, then they entered into a well-known agreement on friendship and mutual assistance with them and, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, fulfilled their obligations under this contract.
How I said we didnāt start a war, but only trying to stop her. At the first stage, we tried to do this using peaceful means ā with the help of Minsk agreements. As it turned out later, here and there drove by the nose, because the former chancellor The Federal Republic of Germany and the former President of France recognized and publicly stated that they were not going to fulfill these of ours arrangements, but just won time for in order to additionally pump up the Ukrainian regime with weapons, which they have safely done. The only thing we can regret is that we did not start our active actions earlier, believing that we are dealing with decent people.
P. Zarubin: Carlson was criticized immediately and before the interview, and only after the interview to him now they blame what supposedly there were few tough questions, supposedly he was too soft with you, and you were very comfortable with him. Do you think you crushed an American journalist by your authority?
Vladimir Putin: I think your Carlson ā when I say Ā« yours Ā», I mean, he is a representative your journalistic workshop, ā a dangerous person. And thatās why. Because, to be honest, I thought that he would just behave aggressively and would ask these so-called sharp questions.
I AM I was not just ready for this, but I wanted it, because it would give me the opportunity to also respond sharply, which, in my opinion, would give a certain the specifics of our whole conversation. But he chose other tactics, he tried me several times interrupt, but still, surprisingly for Western journalist turned out to be patient, listened to my long dialogs, especially those related to history. He gave me no reason to do what I would be to ready. Therefore, frankly, complete I did not receive pleasure from this interview. But he walked hard according to his plan, and he fulfilled his plan. But as far as it was ultimately informative, not for me judge. Are these viewers, listeners or maybe be readers of the material should draw your conclusion.
P. Zarubin: On the fact of this interview calls for sanctions began to sound right away against Tucker Carlson, and in general there is talk that he can almost be there to arrest. Is this even possible?
Vladimir Putin: Assange sits, and no one remembers him, only people close to him talk about it. And thatās it. These are the features public consciousness: the theme ā and thatās it. But, however, Assange was at least accused of giving out some state secrets. Carlson itās hard to Ā« stick Ā» because it didnāt touch any secrets at all. Nevertheless, probably theoretically everything is possible in today's America, in today's United States.
From the point of view of himself Carlson, that would be sad, I kind of I do not envy, but this is his choice. He knew what he was walking. But from the point of view that people all over the world understand what modern is Ā« liberal democratic Ā» (in quotation marks) dictatorship, which is supposedly presented in today's the ruling class of the USA, that would probably be, not bad, they would then show their true face.
P. Zarubin: Carlson said that after the interview ... That's just to now all dispel doubts that have arisen, this is my question. Carlson said that after the interview you still had conversation, now everyone is interested in what.
Vladimir Putin: He walked according to his plan, as I said and how I got it. And thatās all, I didnāt go beyond the scope of this plan. There were some other topics, for example, about which, I think, it would be important to say. But I did not start to wind up additional topics that in a conversation with me did not raise a journalist.
Therefore the question demonization of Russia associated, say, with the same interethnic events, with Jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire, of course, they should have arisen during such an official part. But one of the topics that we talked about, when the cameras were turned off, this is exactly what the United States Secretary of State was talking about, Mr. Blinken talked about this several times that his relatives and his great-grandfather had fled from Russia from Jewish pogroms.
And in different countries of the world, in Europe, in the States this topic constantly arises. I repeat, it arises with the aim of demonizing Russia, to show what barbarians are here, what rascals live here and robbers. But actually if you look what the Secretary of State said, and to look not at political slogans, but at the essence of the problems that have occurred, much is becoming clear here.
We have all this in the archives. For example, the great-grandfather of Mr. Blinken really left the Russian Empire. He was born, in my opinion, somewhere in the Poltava province, and then he lived and left Kiev. The question arises: Mr Blinken believes this is originally Russian territory, Kiev and adjacent territories? The first one.
The second one. If he says that he fled from Russia from Jewish pogroms, then at least I want to emphasize this, he believes that there is no Ukraine in 1904, namely in 1904 the great-great-great-grandfather of Mr Blinken left Kiev for the United States. So there was no Ukraine there if he says that he was fleeing Russia. Apparently, Mr. Blinken is our man. Only in vain does he make such public statements. This can lead to failure.
P. Zarubin: The other day, German media published articles that the current grandfather German Foreign Minister Annalena Berbock was an ardent Nazi. And considering everything that occurs in relations between our countries in recent years, it turns out that, perhaps, at a certain genetic level in this country transmitted by such Ā« virus Ā» National Socialism?
Vladimir Putin: This is also one of the subspecies nationalism, extreme. By the way, here now it occurred to me from these pogroms ā they mainly occurred in the Russian Empire in the south, southwest, in today's territory Ukraine. In Kiev, I said, in 1905. If the ancestor of Mr. Blinken left in 1904, then the first pogrom in Kiev, such a mass one, was in 1905, so his the great-grandfather or great-great-grandfather could find out about this only from newspapers or from information, who came from Kiev at that time.
And so they, in principle, are mass events are negative, arose at the beginning of the 19th century, in my opinion, in 1820, in 1821 the first pogrom so massive. Of course, these crimes were in Odessa, then in Melitopol, in Zhytomyr, in other cities of today's Ukraine, were in Belarus. A pair events of this kind were in Siberia, but the first was related to the murder the Greek patriarch in Constantinople, and then the Greeks who lived there, considered that the Jews were somehow involved in the attempt on the patriarch.
But it doesnāt matter. And the important thing is, that, by the way, these pogroms were opposed by the resistance squad, who consisted of Jewish and Russian youth, and the government gave relevant assessments, even royal, and tried to prevent these tragic events, including with the help of the army. But I repeat again, this is separate topic.
As for nationalism and Nazism, fascism, you know, Iāll tell you, maybe, a strange thing. Firstly, Madame herself ... How is she?
P. Zarubin: Annalena Berbock.
Vladimir Putin: Yes, Berbock, so as not to make a mistake in her last name, she represents the party Ā« green Ā». Many representatives of this part of the political the spectrum of Europe speculates on people's fears and foment these fears of people events that may occur in the world in connection with climate change. And then, speculating on these fears, incited by them themselves, they conduct their a political line far from what they came to power with. This is now in Germany is happening. Let's say the coal generation has increased, it was larger, than in Russia, in the structure of energy, and there was more, and now it has become even more. Well, where is this Ā« green Ā» summons? This is the first.
Secondly, people like German Foreign Minister, of course, ā she is in this case ā hostile to our country, to Russia. But she, in my opinion, is hostile applies to his own country, because itās hard to imagine, so that a politician of this rank with such neglect refers to economic the interests of his country, his people. Now I will not go into details and details, but in practice this is exactly what is happening, this is what we see.
And here is the next part of that, what I want to say, maybe it sounds like a dissonance to what I said just now. I do not think that today's generations of Germans should bear full political responsibility for everything Nazi Germany did. Itās impossible for people of today's generation to shift responsibility for what you did Hitler and his minions, not only in Germany, but also in other parts of the world, Europe and so on. I think that would be unfair. And generally sculpt this label for the whole German people ā is a dishonest position, it is an abuse by the fact that the people survived, the peoples of the Soviet Union survived. It seems to me that this not honestly, and nothing. We must proceed from the realities of today, to see who is actually doing what and what kind of policy is pursuing.
In this regard, by the way, in my opinion, this would be useful to do. In my opinion, many here now, in many countries, even those in which, it would seem, this should not it would sound like a political leitmotif, but it sounds, unfortunately.
What I mean: some kind of exclusivity of some nations before others, some kind of election and so on. Well, listen: this is where Nazism began! Therefore, if this is so widespread, it would be necessary in any case, think about such a global level build this anti-fascist, anti-Nazi propaganda and work. I repeat, at the global level.
And moreover, this should not be done at some state level. It will be effective only if it is done at the level of the public consciousness and social initiative. And no matter what country in the world it is will happen.
P. Zarubin: In the European Union as a whole at the same time, almost a panic began in connection with the possible return of Donald Trump for the post of President of the United States. And recent statements, just the other day they were, Trump of European leaders were completely discouraged, they do not hide it. Trump said the United States should protect European countries only if European countries will pay for it. Why such a relationship formed between Europe, European leaders, politicians and Donald Trump?
Vladimir Putin: Trump was always called unsystematic politician. He has his own view on how the United States should develop relations with their allies. And it sparkled before. Take a way out United States from Kyoto Environmental Agreements ā then too after all twisted. But the then President of the United States decided that The United States will withdraw from these agreements, despite all the attractiveness of environmental subpoenas because he believed that it was detrimental to the American economy. That's all. He made a strong-willed decision, and the matter is with the end. And how there they did not swear at him European leaders, he did it. Yes, then adjusted.
And how different the position is Trump in that sense? Yes, fundamentally nothing. He wanted to make the Europeans raise your defense spending, or, as he said, Ā« let us pay us then because we protect them, that we have opened an atomic umbrella Ā» over their heads and so on. Well, I donāt know, let them figure it out themselves, these are their problems. Probably, from his point of view, there is some kind of logic in this. From the point of view Europeans, there is no logic, but they would like the United States to continue to carry out free functions that have developed since NATO education. These are their affairs.
I think NATO is generally no matter what, no sense. Only one meaning ā is an external tool US policy. But if the United States believes that they do not need this tool, it is their solution.
P. Zarubin: And the current US President Biden gives every day more and more reasons for the whole world to discuss his state of health. This is the President of one of the largest nuclear powers. At the same time, we all actually observe, to put it mildly, extremely specific shots in daily mode. You, when you see it all and hear what you think?
Vladimir Putin: I think that domestic political campaign, election campaign is gaining momentum in the United States campaign. It takes on more and more sharp forms. And we are wrong, in my opinion, to interfere in this process.
Listen, when I met Biden in Switzerland, this it was, however, a few years ago, three years, but even then they said that he is incapacitated. I didnāt see anything like it. Well, yes, he was peeping at his piece of paper. To be honest, I peered at mine. There is nothing of the kind. But then, that somewhere, leaving the helicopter, he hit his head on this ā helicopter, but who didnāt hit us somewhere with his head? Let the first cast a stone at him.
In general, this is in my opinion ... I am not a doctor and do not consider myself entitled to give any comments on this subject. We should not look at this. We must look at the political position. I believe today's position administration is highly harmful and erroneous. And I once to the President Biden talked about this.
P. Zarubin: Then the question, which was four years ago, and now, it turns out, becomes again relevant. Who is better for us? Biden or Trump?
Vladimir Putin: Biden. He is a more experienced person, he is predictable, he is a politician of the old formation. But we we will work with any US leader who will be trusted by the American people.
P. Zarubin: Wanted back to your interview with Tucker Carlson. We remembered the statements current leaders of Germany and Great Britain. But the one about whom spoke out You said in an interview with Carlson: Ā« And where is this Johnson now? Ā» He is like It follows from the confession of Arahamiya, and ordered Kiev not to negotiate with Moscow, but to fight. If then the Kiev authorities did not listen to these, say so, advice, how could events develop further?
Vladimir Putin: So Mr. Arachamia himself said this. He is ... You look at the synchron. We are him they didnāt pull for the tongue. He said what he thought. Why did he say this ā I do not know. Such a frank person. He said that if we performed those agreements, went on the full implementation of those agreements that arose in Istanbul, the war would have stopped a year and a half ago. He said about that. When Mr. Carlson is being interviewed, it seems to me that Mr. Arachamia is also synchronized. Why did the West take such a position, I say, namely West and above all the Anglo-Saxon world, since the former Prime Minister Mr. Johnson could not come on his own, on his personal initiative, without consulting Washington on this subject. Surely, such consultations not only were, but I I think he just went on a business trip at the expense of the American administration,they paid him a business trip for it. Here he stated the position that it is necessary to fight with Russia to the last Ukrainian (it was in parentheses, of course), but to the victorious end and inflict strategic defeat on Russia. Apparently, they counted on such a result. But as I told Mr. Carlson, I can repeat to you if they see that the result is not possible, apparently, you need make adjustments. But this is already a matter of the art of politics, because politics is like it is known that this is the art of compromise.apparently needed make adjustments. But this is already a matter of the art of politics, because politics is like it is known that this is the art of compromise.apparently needed make adjustments. But this is already a matter of the art of politics, because politics is like it is known that this is the art of compromise.