RUSSIA VS NATO

cybe · 30 September 2025 12:18

That’s not a straw man or an ad hominem.

You linked to her bio page, which lists credentials. I questioned whether those titles are independently verified and whether they actually make her claims trustworthy.

How is that misrepresenting your point or attacking you, please?

Here's a list of articles on various websites:-

cybe · 30 September 2025 12:21

And let's not forget that you youtself posted the link to the Renee Parsons article on he Huff Post Contributor platform as, I believe an attempt to find a credible source to the incredible Donald Cook incident

ThePrisoner · 30 September 2025 13:00

I don’t actually care if the Huff Post article is right or wrong, If wrong it adds to my pre-conceived notion that the MSM is biased propaganda, if right it backs up my previous argument on the incident. I win either way.

ThePrisoner · 30 September 2025 13:01

No I believed YOU would find it a credible source, not me.

ThePrisoner · 30 September 2025 13:57

EU Fast-Tracks Transformation into Military Bloc Under Von Der Leyen's Unaccountable Leadership

cybe · 30 September 2025 14:18

You don’t care if the HuffPost piece is right or wrong?

If you’re posting material without regard to whether it’s accurate, then you’re not presenting evidence and adding noise that I feel is confusing the discussion.

I believe that any meaningful and honorable exchange has to rest on sources being put forward for their truth value and not as rhetorical props.

Let’s be clear: like I've already shown, the article by Renee Parsons wasn’t even mainstream journalism. It came through the old HuffPost Contributor platform (2005–2018), which was an open system anyone could inject into with minimal editorial oversight. That platform was shut down because of low vetting and quality-control problems. Articles from that channel easily appeared like mainstream HuffPost content, but they didn’t go through standard MSM editorial processes. So this isn’t a matter of “if it’s right or wrong.” The core issues are: is the piece credible, does the author have real verifiable merits (or is she even a real person), and is the content sourced in a way that withstands scrutiny.

Until those points are established, the article doesn’t strengthen the extraordinary claims. I've sent an email to [email protected] asking this person what the source of the claims are.

The question stands: do you actually have any credible, independently verifiable sources for the Donald Cook claim, since every supposed reference so far has collapsed under scrutiny?

ThePrisoner · 30 September 2025 14:48

NATO Crumbles: RUSSIA is to deploy the World's Most Powerful Tactical Missile Complex in SERBIA

cybe · 30 September 2025 15:14

cybe · 30 September 2025 15:57

@ThePrisoner

Looks like Renee Parsons is a real person after all:-

cybe · 30 September 2025 17:47

The reports of the Russian Kilo-class submarine Novorossiysk (B-261) suffering a fuel system malfunction in the Mediterranean Sea originate primarily from a September 27, 2025, post by the Russian Telegram channel VChK-OGPU, which claims insider contacts within Russian intelligence and security services. The channel described the incident as occurring during combat duty, with fuel leaking into the hull (referred to as the "hold"), no onboard spare parts or specialists available for repairs, and a potential need to discharge fuel into the sea to avert an explosion risk. It has over 330,000 subscribers and is frequently cited for unverified leaks on Russian military matters, though its information cannot be independently confirmed by open sources.This Telegram report was quickly amplified and reported by Western and Ukrainian media outlets starting late on September 27, 2025, often with photos of the submarine from prior sightings (e.g., its westbound transit through the Strait of Gibraltar on September 26). Key details like the surfacing near Gibraltar align with open-source tracking of the vessel, which is part of Russia's Black Sea Fleet and capable of launching nuclear-armed Kalibr cruise missiles (though it's diesel-electric powered, not nuclear-propelled). No official Russian Ministry of Defense statement has been issued confirming or denying the incident as of September 30, 2025.Primary and Secondary SourcesHere's a breakdown of key sources reporting the story, grouped by type:

Source Type	Outlet/Publication	Date	Key Details Reported	Link/Reference
Original Leak	VChK-OGPU (Telegram channel)	Sep 27, 2025	Fuel leak into hull; no repairs possible; explosion risk; potential sea discharge.	Telegram: View @vchkogpu (channel post ID not publicly indexed; cited widely)
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Western Media	GB News (UK)	Sep 27, 2025	Surfaced near Gibraltar; crew of 52; parallels to 2000 Kursk disaster.	gbnews.com
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Western Media	Evening Standard (UK)	Sep 27, 2025	242ft length; nuclear-capable; VChK-OGPU quote on technical problems.	standard.co.uk
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Western Media	Daily Mail (UK)	Sep 27, 2025	"Explosion hazard" alert; monitored by Royal Navy; unlikely carrying nukes on this patrol.	dailymail.co.uk
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Western Media	The Sun (UK/Ireland)	Sep 27, 2025	Fuel buildup creating "explosive hazard"; no Ukraine war involvement.	thesun.co.uk
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Indian Media	The Week (India)	Sep 29, 2025	Malfunction on Sep 27; environmental/explosion risks; crew discharge option.	theweek.in
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Indian Media	Economic Times (India)	Sep 27, 2025	Surfaced near Gibraltar; Kalibr missile capability highlighted.	economictimes.indiatimes.com
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Ukrainian Media	United24 Media (Ukraine)	Sep 27, 2025	Project 636.3 class; links to separate corvette collision incident.	united24media.com
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Ukrainian Media	UA Wire (Ukraine)	Sep 28, 2025 (approx.)	Broader Russian navy maintenance issues; hidden collision cover-up.	uawire.org
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Defense Analysis	ImpACT International	Late Sep 2025	Systemic Russian fleet shortages; reduced Mediterranean influence.	impactpolicies.org
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Defense Blog	Army Recognition	Sep 30, 2025	Surfacing confirmed; explosion risk from leak.	armyrecognition.com (via X post)
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X (Twitter) Discussions and UpdatesThe story spread rapidly on X starting September 27, with OSINT accounts tracking the submarine's movements via AIS data and satellite imagery. Common themes include speculation on NATO shadowing (e.g., French warships), comparisons to the 2000 Kursk sinking (118 deaths from onboard explosions), and questions about Russian maintenance amid the Ukraine war. Notable posts:

@warsurveillance

(Sep 30): Video summary warning of escalation in international waters.
@TiaFarris10

(Sep 29): Reports multiple malfunctions; possible return to St. Petersburg for repairs.
@RFNOSBlog

(Sep 29): OSINT analysis disputing severity—sub and tug exited Mediterranean on Sep 29, possibly delayed by weather, not leak.
@Heroiam_Slava

(Sep 27): Ukrainian account hailing it as "good news" with VChK-OGPU quote.
@NSTRIKE1231

(Sep 28): Ties to separate August corvette collision; fuel leak details.

Verification Notes

Confirmation Level: Unverified beyond VChK-OGPU's claims. The submarine was publicly tracked surfacing near Gibraltar on Sep 26 (pre-incident), and a support tug (MB-119 Yakov Grebelsky) was nearby, consistent with routine escort but also potential aid. By Sep 29, OSINT trackers reported it heading west into the Atlantic, possibly toward Russia, without signs of distress (e.g., no emergency beacons).
Potential Biases: VChK-OGPU has a track record of anti-Kremlin leaks but mixes verified and speculative info. Ukrainian sources emphasize Russian naval decline; Western outlets focus on security risks. No evidence of fabrication, but parallels to past incidents (e.g., Kursk) amplify alarm.
Updates: As of Sep 30, no explosion or sinking reported. Royal Navy confirmed prior monitoring but no new statements. Environmental watchdogs (e.g., Greenpeace) are alerted for potential fuel spill.

For real-time developments, monitor VChK-OGPU or OSINT feeds like

@RFNOSBlog

. If you have a specific angle (e.g., environmental impact), I can dig deeper.

ThePrisoner · 1 October 2025 01:10

I don’t particularly care for the Huff Post, I don’t have a dog in their fight. Ditto Renee Parsons whoever she is, I care not.

cybe · 1 October 2025 05:38

Understood.

ThePrisoner · 1 October 2025 09:39

NancyDrewberry · 1 October 2025 20:34

A submarine is being monitored after posing a risk of explosion near Gibraltar

Russian nuclear submarine risks exploding near UK territory after 'serious accident'

Multiple NATO allies scrambled warships after a Russian submarine suffered a critical failure and posed a risk of explosion

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2115003/russian-nuclear-submarine-risks-exploding

The seas around Gibraltar are among the closest-watched in the world, functioning as the choke point for all Mediterranean shipping traffic, with NATO and the Spanish Navy monitoring all vessels that pass through the strait.

NancyDrewberry · 1 October 2025 20:57

The Russian submarine Novorossiysk stranded in the Atlantic with 82 sailors on board

The Russian submarine Novorossiysk is reportedly facing serious technical issues during its journey in the Atlantic. After being last photographed crossing the Strait of Gibraltar on September 26, reports suggest a possible fuel leak on board. With 82 crew members working under pressure, NATO surveillance, and silence from Russian authorities, this incident raises many questions about the state of the Russian navy today. - News report.

NancyDrewberry · 1 October 2025 21:16

The Russian Submarine “Novorossiysk”: A Tale of Mystery Between Gibraltar and the Atlantic Depths

In September 2025, the Russian submarine Novorossiysk sparked controversy with its mysterious appearance near the Strait of Gibraltar on its way to the Atlantic. Some reports spoke of serious malfunctions, while other sources denied this, confirming that the submarine continues its mission normally. Are we witnessing a submarine in distress, or a strategic message from Moscow to Europe?
Article: Russian submarine Novorossiysk surfaces near Gibraltar after fuel leak sparks explosion risk. Russian submarine Novorossiysk surfaces near Gibraltar after fuel leak sparks explosion risk

NancyDrewberry · 1 October 2025 21:49

A tanker with Russian oil was detained when leaving the English Channel. The French Navy forced a vessel under sanctions The EU and the UK, approach the territorial waters of the country in the Bay of Biscay.

According to AIS vessels, the tanker Boracay (Pushpa) is located on October 1 right at the border of the territorial waters of France in the Bay of Biscay — opposite the port of Saint-Nazaire. On the eve of the French Navy reported the detention of the tanker.

"The French Navy announced the start of an investigation. The prosecutor of Brest said that the investigation was launched after the crew did not provide evidence of the nationality of the vessel.

Boracay (Pushpa) is referred to as a shadow fleet, since the ultimate owners are unknown. Officially, the ship has nothing to do with Russia. Its owner is Baaj Shipping, registered in Seychelles. At the same time, the ISM operator changed in June and remains unknown. Previously it was Hong Ze Hu Shipmanagement from China. A tanker with Russian oil was ambushed across the English Channel: the second seizure in six months — EADaily, October 1st, 2025 — Politics, Russia

Then,

Borzzikman responds with the video stating "FRANCE Attacked and Captured a Russian Vessel". https://youtu.be/VmC5JGnnIzY

According to the news report above, France detained the vessel and it is under investigation for reasons explained. The Russian vessel was not attacked. Which story is the truthful one?

Borzz gloats at the death of American, U.K. and European forces. I don't like that. With the help of the corrupt Western leadership, Russia assists with the destruction of True Israel (U.S and U.K.). As prophesied here.

ThePrisoner · 1 October 2025 23:17

ThePrisoner · 1 October 2025 23:18

Lead by Satanic Edomites..Karma if you ask me. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. No surprise to me that these same “Israelites” are supporting the slaughter in Gaza.

ThePrisoner · 2 October 2025 13:25

https://www.rt.com/russia/625679-moldova-opposition-tauber-sentenced-prison/

https://www.rt.com/russia/625687-moldova-opposition-protests/

Doesn’t sound like a very democratic election in Moldova, like most of the rigged elections in the west nowadays.