Flat Earth

Sometimes the Bible uses what is called idiomatic language that should not be taken literally, for example "the ends of the earth" which could in some cases be a reference to people, rather than actual earth.

This article (from a Christian source) seems to make some reasonable points. For instance, if we say that we are "going back to the drawing board" then no one thinks we mean it literally. Similarly, it would not be reasonable to believe that the "ends of the earth" refers to an actual edge (since it is known that the earth doesn't have an edge).

Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat?

In attempts to discredit the reliability of the Bible, many skeptics claim that the Bible depicts a flat earth. Further, there are more than a few Christians who believe the Bible teaches the earth is flat. Even further, there are some people who simply question the scientific consensus and the seemingly overwhelming scientific evidence and/or see some sort of conspiracy to deceive humanity that the earth is spherical when it is, in fact, flat.

Regarding the biblical evidence, references such as Revelation 7:1 are cited, which speaks of “four angels standing at the four corners of the earth.” Some also point to Psalm 75:3, which says God holds “the pillars” of the earth firm. Other passages they claim teach a flat earth are Deuteronomy 13:7; Job 28:24; Psalm 48:10; and Proverbs 30:4; all of which reference the “ends” of the earth. So, are they correct? Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat?

The truth is, the Bible does not comment on the shape of Planet Earth. It does not say that the earth is flat, and it does not say that it is spherical. Let’s take a closer look at some of the commonly cited passages that supposedly depict a flat earth:

Revelation 7:1 says, “I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth.” In writing this, the apostle John was using idiomatic language—the “four corners of the earth” refer to “every distant location.” We use the same idiom today; for example, when we speak of Olympic athletes coming from the four corners of the earth to compete in the games, we mean they are coming from all over the world.

The book of Revelation is full of non-literal descriptions and symbolic language. To press Revelation 7:1 into a hyper-literal interpretation makes no sense. John simply says that, at one point during the tribulation, God will cause all wind to stop blowing. The “four corners” encompass the cardinal directions—north, south, east, and west. All wind will cease at God’s command.

Psalm 75:3 quotes God saying, “When the earth and all its people quake, it is I who hold its pillars firm.” Other passages also refer to the earth’s “pillars,” such as 1 Samuel 2:8, but in no case should the language be taken literally. The book of Psalms and Hannah’s song in 1 Samuel 2 are poetry. The writers liken the founding of the earth to the constructing of a house, and their descriptions are comparative (i.e., metaphorical), not literal. The point is not that the earth is flat but that the earth belongs to God; it is His construction, and He guarantees its stability. God’s “pillars” will not move, and His “roof” will not cave in. Even when the moral order of the world seems to have crumbled and people are overcome with fear, God will not fully withdraw His sustaining power.

What about the Bible’s references to the “ends of the earth” in Deuteronomy 13:7; Job 28:24; Psalm 48:10; Proverbs 30:4; and other passages? Does a reference to the “ends” of the earth teach that the earth has an edge and is therefore flat? We’ll take Deuteronomy 13:7 as representative of all the passages: here, Moses warns the people of “the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other” (ESV).

A couple things can be said about the phrase the ends of the earth to show that it does not refer to a flat earth. First, that phrase, like the four corners of the earth, is idiomatic. We don’t expect people to take us literally when we speak of going “back to the drawing board”; neither should we force a literal interpretation on “the ends of the earth.” When biblical writers speak of the “ends of the earth” (28 times in the KJV), they are simply referring to “the farthest reaches of the inhabited world.”

Second, the phrase the ends of the earth at times refers to people, not to land. For example, Psalm 67:7 says, “May God bless us still, so that all the ends of the earth will fear him.” In this verse, the ends of the earth references the people who inhabit remote and distant places (see also Psalm 98:3 and Isaiah 45:22). Obviously, in this context the phrase is metaphorical and cannot be used to depict the earth as having a physical edge. The same phrase, used elsewhere, should also be considered figurative.

The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. The references to the “earth” in the Bible are often not references to planetary earth but to a portion of dry land bound by water. For example, Genesis 1:10 says, “God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas” (ESV). “Earth” is mentioned as distinct from “Seas” and cannot refer to Earth as a planet; the same Hebrew word for “Earth” is used in Deuteronomy 13:7 and the other passages listed above.

While the Bible does not teach that the earth is flat, neither does the Bible explicitly teach that the earth is spherical. Some passages do allow for a spherical earth, such as Job 26:7 and Isaiah 40:22. And Job 26:10 makes reference to God’s drawing “a circular horizon . . . at the boundary of light and darkness” (NKJV), a description suggesting two hemispheres. In any event, the Bible is far from affirming a naïve or unscientific understanding of the earth and the solar system. There is simply no basis for the charge that the Bible teaches a flat earth. Biblical passages that could be interpreted to present a flat earth are better understood symbolically.

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.... the Creation account in Genesis 1 says that the earth began as water only, and water suspended in space always takes the form of a sphere due to the surface tensions of water molecules.

Furthermore, when dry land appeared, Genesis 1 describes all the land as existing "in one place" in Genesis 1:9 while all waters are gathered likewise. Geometrically, this can only happen on a sphere, and therefore Genesis 1 implies a round earth.

The popularity of “flat earth” teaching among a few deceived believers is indicative of the enemy's efforts to distract believers from Kingdom work with empty chatter and so-called "knowledge" which are actually sensationalistic myths. Paul says learning sound doctrine requires endurance, but some would prefer to have their ears tickled. The enemy uses attractive myths like a flat earth to distract believers from the truly important matters of scripture.

Therefore, we exhort believers to set aside these matters entirely. Do not waste time in endless and unprofitable arguments on one side or the other of these myths. Return to scripture seeking a meaningful understanding of Christ and your walk with Him that will profit you into eternity.

Does the Bible teach that the Earth is round or flat?

The Christian faith recognizes the Bible above all other sources of knowledge as the inspired word of God. Teaching that contradicts the Bible is false, by definition. On the other hand, the Bible is not the sole source of knowledge in Creation.

For example, the Bible does not attempt to teach mathematics, chemistry, biology or many other areas of knowledge that are self-evidently true despite being absent in God's word. Therefore, we cannot become blind to obvious truths of nature, nor should we dismiss or ignore extra-biblical sources of truth so long as they do not contradict scripture.

In the case of the earth's shape, scripture never explicitly states the shape of our planet, nor does the Bible propose to teach the physical design of earth explicitly at any point, but it does confirm a round earth implicitly in various places. For example, the Creation account in Genesis 1 says that the earth began as water only, and water suspended in space always takes the form of a sphere due to the surface tensions of water molecules.

Furthermore, when dry land appeared, Genesis 1 describes all the land as existing "in one place" in Genesis 1:9 while all waters are gathered likewise. Geometrically, this can only happen on a sphere, and therefore Genesis 1 implies a round earth.

Nevertheless, the Bible is not our only (or even our best) source of information on the shape of the planet. Science long ago confirmed the spherical shape of the earth. As early as the 6th century B.C., men had mathematical proofs demonstrating the earth is spherical in shape. In the following centuries, many scientists have devised simple experiments validating the earth is a sphere, and more recently high-altitude aircraft, satellites orbiting our planet, and manned space travel have confirmed those earlier findings.

Even our own observations from the ground confirm the earth to be a sphere. When standing on the shore looking out on the horizon, the curvature of the earth cuts off the bottom of ships in the distance.

Simply put, men have known the earth was round for centuries, and the Bible confirms this truth implicitly. Unfortunately, some Christians have become victims of false teaching and conspiracy theories that misinterpret various scriptures to support bizarre conclusions. The claim of a “flat” earth is one such false teaching.

Moreover, we caution every Christian against becoming deceived by false teaching that opposes plains truths and promote novel and sensationalistic myths. Paul said such interests would be evidence of the end times, when believers are swept away by false teaching:

2Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
2Tim. 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

1Tim. 6:20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called “knowledge” —

1Tim. 6:21 which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith. Grace be with you.

The popularity of “flat earth” teaching among a few deceived believers is indicative of the enemy's efforts to distract believers from Kingdom work with empty chatter and so-called "knowledge" which are actually sensationalistic myths. Paul says learning sound doctrine requires endurance, but some would prefer to have their ears tickled. The enemy uses attractive myths like a flat earth to distract believers from the truly important matters of scripture.

Therefore, we exhort believers to set aside these matters entirely. Do not waste time in endless and unprofitable arguments on one side or the other of these myths. Return to scripture seeking a meaningful understanding of Christ and your walk with Him that will profit you into eternity.

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Looks like the pastor did a great job

https://www.youtube.com/live/d_LNSbStu9c?si=4WYsinlVFnpg0tqb

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Timelapse of the 24 hour Antarctic sun - Dave McKeegan

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The flat earthers are the most stubborn bunch on this Globe/Planet Earth. :astonished:
Wouldn't you know, that on his channel, flat earther Dustin Nemos questions the integrity of the video: Did They Fake The 24 Hour Sun Experiment? Have we found a hidden light source?

@Cybe Agreed. Thanks for posting the video.

@JF Thank-you. Clear as day. :sunglasses:

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200 Verses: Flat Earth - MC Toon

Pastor Caught Lying to his Church - MC Toon

Candace Owens sent her director, Mark Herman, to Antarctica along with The Final Experiment to report back.

This happened, because Duffy reached out to Candace, after it came to light that there were people who were trying to convince her to become a flat earther.

I believe this shows that it's not silly to be aware of this topic, which has grown wildly in recent years, especially among the many who consider themselves to be "truthers". Fortunately, the final experiment expedition has now taken place, and it can be pointed to, in order to help people who may be unsure about the topic and are questioning, so that they can investigate it for themselves.

Though it might not stop "die hard" flat earthers from continuing to push the false claim that we live on a flat earth, it should at least now be a lot easier to counter these claims and prevent further confusion about the topic, as the definitive results of TFE can be pointed to.

An example of how this topic gets brought up, can be seen in the video below (from 1 month ago) - first 3 mins.

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The other thing that seems nice about it, is that apparently, the weather was really bad in Antarctica throughout the days in which they were all getting ready to fly South, from Punta Arenas. But then, as if it happened almost (?) miraculously, when they were set to go the weather completely cleared up - making it possible for them to go and get stunning footage, with perfect sunny and almost completely windless weather. People noted in the livestreams, how this seemed like it was specially made to happen. I believe, this was said even by the flat earth side. They also said that flying to Union Glacier was perhaps the most beautiful thing they had ever seen. Everyone was positive, even though people were from different camps, and people were kind to each other and felt like they bonded. Super! :+1:

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Agreed. Thank-you. The flat earth psyop runs deep. They have incorporated some other very strange ideas into the FE psyop; as if the Earth being flat was not strange enough, it includes other very odd ideas. I do not know the details of the psyop very well. The whole thing is too weird and seriously troublesome.

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It is indeed. But, hopefully it can also serve as another wake up call for people, and an example of how the deception works.

The "Flat Earth" (or, "Globe and Space Hoax") Psyop bears the hallmarks of being a carefully crafted and cleverly designed, targeted attack against the credibility of the Bible and against Bible believing people, by association.

The goal of it, I believe, has been to create a general impression in people's minds, that Bible believers (and it seems to be specifically targeting Christians) = Flat Earthers. And that Bible believers would therefore, through the association with flat earth, be shown to be ignorant (and therefore, stupid) people. But, the Bible does NOT teach that the earth is flat, or that space is a hoax.

In the New Covenant, Christ advised people to become smart:

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Luke 16:8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of Light.

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Looking further into the Flat Earth psyop is found a connection to the Talmud. New Age/Luciferian doctrine plays a role in the psyop as well. It is a very sinister psyop.

https://academic.oup.com/book/1751/chapter-abstract/141387578

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The Lord Says that the Earth is a sphere.
End of story.

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THE PEDOPHILES OF FLAT EARTH - King Street News

"Flat Earth" is not Biblical. "Flat Earth" is from the Talmud. https://academic.oup.com/book/1751/chapter-abstract/141387578

Founder of 'Biblical Flat Earth Society' charged with child porn offences

YouTuber Phillip Stephen Stallings, 40, accused of 56 counts of child sexual exploitation Founder of 'Biblical Flat Earth Society' charged with child porn offences | 7NEWS

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@antzkiwi‬ had his name and reputation dragged through the mud by the flat earth community. TFE has vindicated Anthony Powell.

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In other words, it is from the "Synagogue of Satan". Some of the followers of The Talmud practice out in the open (as much as is possible), but many others hide in organized-religions, i.e. as christians, jews, catholics, etc. and as "flat earthers" to infiltrate communities and get as many as possible under their wings. Thus far, they have been surprisingly successful. I had no idea how devious it was, but now I know. Their deluded, hellish beliefs also connect to satan worshipper Aleister Crowley.

Amen. No denying that and no-one is denying that on this forum.
Thank God/Goodness! :slightly_smiling_face:

Another huge episode/production from Mr Tudor Alexander ... section early(ish) on about the recent antartica experiments.. maybe of interest here
:https://youtu.be/C9HLVUO3EAA?si=bw0eQRASoevVyd-j

Tudor Alexander is another self-professed religious guru who, as Christ warned us about 2000 years ago while in the body of Jesus, is nothing more than "the blind leading the blind".

Tudor promotes the satanic, pagan "trinity" (John 14:28; 20:17), and that there will be no millennial reign of Christ here on Earth (Rev. 20:4-6), and that we are not immortal souls that are temporarily incarnated inside these mortal human bodies (John 3:3-7) among many other false, anti-Biblical viewpoints.

So it should come as no surprise to see him promoting the "flat earth" psyop and quoting CIA asset/tool/conman Eric Dubay to try to bolster his obviously mistaken cosmo-illogical beliefs.

Perhaps the only thing interesting about this latest presentation is how someone can blather on for over 6 hours about things they know absolutely nothing about.

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